tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post2838176020539348747..comments2023-06-17T11:03:38.221+01:00Comments on Trying to follow Torah without Embarrassing HaShem : Israel is right to respond to terrorism David Kavanagh http://www.blogger.com/profile/08418936234591060766noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post-1917296572871491422014-07-10T16:13:23.697+01:002014-07-10T16:13:23.697+01:00Hi Terry,
I just can't see that this is viable...Hi Terry,<br />I just can't see that this is viable, however intelligent a plan it may seem.Hannahhttp://intelligentanderuditejew.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post-73932380390080772032014-07-10T13:38:57.124+01:002014-07-10T13:38:57.124+01:00Look like you got in there before I did. Decent en...Look like you got in there before I did. Decent enough replies. You never seem to go for the 'killer blow'.Shmu'elhttp://intelligentanderuditejew.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post-11833109544712645552014-07-09T23:10:45.384+01:002014-07-09T23:10:45.384+01:00Sounds good, but unrealistic. The Arabs would neve...Sounds good, but unrealistic. The Arabs would never agree to it and Israel is there as a safe haven for Jews, so I can't see how it would fare well in a majority Arab federation.David Kavanaghhttp://intelligentanderuditejew.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post-79026496639545230862014-07-09T23:09:51.128+01:002014-07-09T23:09:51.128+01:00A good question. Esther was writing something up a...A good question. Esther was writing something up about this; I certainly can't see how Gaza would be viable as a separate state, but I can't see how Palestinians on the WB are supposed to govern it either. Given 90% of the population are classed as 'refugees', perhaps they might be resettled in the WB as part of a peace deal, with Israel taking over Gaza into Israel proper. I don't know, there is a lot of ways this can be settled peacefully. If only the other side were not lobbing rockets at civilians & wanting to kill Jews for being Jews. Then we might stand a chance of peace.David Kavanaghhttp://intelligentanderuditejew.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post-76590347640759684302014-07-09T23:07:28.374+01:002014-07-09T23:07:28.374+01:00There is only war, not because of the 'evil...There is only war, not because of the 'evil' of Israel, but because of the evil of Hamas and the continued launching of rockets against civilian population centres.David Kavanaghhttp://intelligentanderuditejew.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post-61571468263835593692014-07-09T23:06:40.531+01:002014-07-09T23:06:40.531+01:00Again a ridiculous comparison with hitler and naz...Again a ridiculous comparison with hitler and nazi germany. Tell me, where is the mass slaughter, the gas chambers, the attempted conquest of the globe, based on a feeling of racial superiority? Have you actually look at how small Israel actually is? Have you ever studied any history? I doubt it.David Kavanaghhttp://intelligentanderuditejew.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post-89851380631954223852014-07-09T23:04:55.839+01:002014-07-09T23:04:55.839+01:00One minute I'm a leftie, the next I am an extr...One minute I'm a leftie, the next I am an extreme RW Zionist. Eh?!David Kavanaghhttp://intelligentanderuditejew.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post-63468646314981901522014-07-09T23:04:21.988+01:002014-07-09T23:04:21.988+01:00No -one is forcing Pals to live in squalor; Jews a...No -one is forcing Pals to live in squalor; Jews aren't occupying someone else's country. We've discussed this before you plonker.David Kavanaghhttp://intelligentanderuditejew.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post-13204020945432536462014-07-09T23:03:30.057+01:002014-07-09T23:03:30.057+01:00That isn't true. In war there are many casualt...That isn't true. In war there are many casualties, which is why it is better to try and avoid war. Alas Hamas is an organisation that makes that impossible. So this war does need to be fought and it needs to be won. Hamas do not use "water pistols, fireworks and stones"; as my article shows they are launching rocket after rocket against civilian targets. Israel needs to defend herself and her people against this aggression. So I have little time for this bull shit.David Kavanaghhttp://intelligentanderuditejew.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post-59884319891227504512014-07-09T23:01:42.968+01:002014-07-09T23:01:42.968+01:00Yes a good site . Thanks for linking to it.Yes a good site . Thanks for linking to it.David Kavanaghhttp://intelligentanderuditejew.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post-81668951518982945152014-07-09T23:01:22.912+01:002014-07-09T23:01:22.912+01:00If Israel were a terrorist enclave I would happy d...If Israel were a terrorist enclave I would happy do so. As they are not , I won't.David Kavanaghhttp://intelligentanderuditejew.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post-24381467972824975472014-07-09T23:00:42.111+01:002014-07-09T23:00:42.111+01:00I'm lost with this contribution. I'd say e...I'm lost with this contribution. I'd say explain, but I'm not sure I could read through a very long post explaining the second coming or whatever. Can't you be content to leaves these matters to your god? That what I do with the coming of the Messiah.David Kavanaghhttp://intelligentanderuditejew.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post-88607747156311206192014-07-09T22:58:52.759+01:002014-07-09T22:58:52.759+01:00Arab Israelis have greater freedoms and rights tha...Arab Israelis have greater freedoms and rights than fellow Arabs ANYWHERE in the middle east. And they are per capita far richer.David Kavanaghhttp://intelligentanderuditejew.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post-59957943695741150382014-07-09T22:58:21.018+01:002014-07-09T22:58:21.018+01:00This is flawed. I can't see any of the British...This is flawed. I can't see any of the British media being particularly pro-Israeli and certainly the left is pro-Palestine. I think he idea that Israel is a racist state for being a Jewish state is a joke. Is France racist for being a French state (Le française is literally 'The France')? There are national states all over this planet that are based on dominant religious or ethnic identity. That cannot be racist can it? I think the comparison with Nazi Germany is grossly offensive, but as I have a right to be offended I shall leave that comment on this thread. There will not be a Mabka Mark II; the target is Hamas not the people of Gaza.David Kavanaghhttp://intelligentanderuditejew.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post-59921828380445124032014-07-09T22:54:30.672+01:002014-07-09T22:54:30.672+01:00I agree. I would also note that Hamas use civilian...I agree. I would also note that Hamas use civilians as human shields to score points over civilian deaths. It is pretty disgusting.David Kavanaghhttp://intelligentanderuditejew.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post-46572869162250601172014-07-09T20:07:30.400+01:002014-07-09T20:07:30.400+01:00Sam,
Thanks. To be honest I'm with you and S...Sam,<br /><br /><br />Thanks. To be honest I'm with you and Shlomo on this one. So I'm going to leave it before commenting on this thread.David Kavanaghhttp://intelligentanderuditejew.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post-23084156298326985612014-07-09T19:28:07.324+01:002014-07-09T19:28:07.324+01:00Thanks for this bro. I agree. But some of the comm...Thanks for this bro. I agree. But some of the comments here. Wow, what a load of crap there are.Shmu'elhttp://intelligentanderuditejew.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post-45911160407020483652014-07-09T18:40:47.458+01:002014-07-09T18:40:47.458+01:00Oh and half of the crap written below is clearly c...Oh and half of the crap written below is clearly crap and not worth bothering with. But I know it is tempting to sock 'em one!Shlomonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post-36315834491043444252014-07-09T18:38:50.260+01:002014-07-09T18:38:50.260+01:00Palestinians who have no choice but to take Israel...Palestinians who have no choice but to take Israeli nationality but are treated as second class citizens and face the constant threat of pogroms by Jewish nationalists.Atheist Shruggednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post-57079709393808810782014-07-09T18:36:23.575+01:002014-07-09T18:36:23.575+01:00Dov,
Well said.
The Israeli government is defe...Dov,<br /><br /><br />Well said.<br /><br /><br />The Israeli government is defending its citizens and doing exactly what millions of Israeli’s have been demanding and that is to put a stop to the thousands of missiles fired into Israel with the sole intention of maiming and killing Israeli civilians. British citizens would demand no less of their government.<br /><br />Note the big investment in bomb shelters and other means of protection for Israeli civilians and the almost total absence of any protection for Gazan civilians.<br /><br />Why would this be?<br /><br />The psycotic thugs ruling Gaza welcome civilian casualties as a means of pulling the wool over the eyes of gullible with tales of 'Israeli atrocities'.<br /><br />Common sense is exactly what you seem to lack.Shlomonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post-70050435527926191212014-07-09T18:17:28.520+01:002014-07-09T18:17:28.520+01:00I agree. I see the idiots have come out in force t...I agree. I see the idiots have come out in force today!Gay Anglicannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post-70328881160854446502014-07-09T18:08:18.656+01:002014-07-09T18:08:18.656+01:00There are three category errors in much of this th...There are three category errors in much of this thread:<br />1) Since Israel is an occupier (albeit not of Gaza) it has no right to defend itself<br />2) The weaker side is always the victim and the stronger side the aggressor<br />3) Anything other than parity of casualties indicates an unfairness/deliberate callous slaughter<br /><br />(1) Practically, Israel cannot simply throw its hands in the air and allow rocket fire into pre-1967 borders. Its obligation to its citizens is to stop the rockets. Its obligation, more broadly, is to achieve this end with as few lives lost in either side. If Israel sends warnings before destroying rocket firing or command sites, it is to reduce unnecessary Palestinian loss of life. If Hamas encourages kids to martyr themselves by remaining after such warnings (having deliberately located the rocket firing and command sites in the most densely populated areas) it clearly values those lives less highly than Israel does. A fundamentally different asymmetry than that being alleged by many of these posts.<br /><br />(2) It is a good general rule of thumb that the weaker side is a victim and the stronger side the aggressor – but it is not necessarily true, particularly when there is a religious fundamentalist angle. A better measure is which side uses more restraint relative to its capabilities. Under that analysis Israel is not an aggressor - would the US or UK or China or Russia or France for that matter not do anything it takes to eradicate rocket fire immediately if it were being targeted at their citizens? Hamas’s actions are consistent with an inability to accept Israel’s pre-1967 borders (a basic requirement for peace). Israel withdrew from Gaza long ago and the restrictions it imposes are purely security related. Israel would lift all restrictions and disavow military action in Gaza if it did not have legitimate fears that Gaza was being used as a base to launch attacks into Israel – which it is.<br /><br />(3) If Israel is trying to avoid unnecessary civilian casualties subject to the overriding objective of stopping rocket fire and Hamas is putting civilians in harms way, what are people suggesting Israel does? Deliberately puts a similar number of Israelis in harms way so as to create a more equitable death toll? Or give up on stopping rocket fire because Hamas has made it impossible to do so without incurring civilian casualties? Both of these are ludicrous expectations.Atheist Shruggednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post-15950029625487988172014-07-09T18:07:40.388+01:002014-07-09T18:07:40.388+01:00Over 20% of the Israeli population is not Jew.Over 20% of the Israeli population is not Jew.Yossie Abrahamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post-11640342223914856782014-07-09T18:07:09.829+01:002014-07-09T18:07:09.829+01:00Thanks .Great to know that other Jews are supporti...Thanks .Great to know that other Jews are supportive of Israel against the terrorists.Yossie Abrahamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2776953281421752782.post-15918139539670714972014-07-09T18:05:54.146+01:002014-07-09T18:05:54.146+01:00that arab life is worth less in the eyes of the we...that arab life is worth less in the eyes of the western world has been true for years. Maybe it's a throwback to imperialist times or maybe the crusades??it is institutional rascism.Israel wants a racist Jew-only state, just as the Nazis wanted Germany Judenrein.<br />We could be on the verge of Nabka Mark 2.I hope the world doesn't stand by and let it happen.Free Palestinenoreply@blogger.com