Showing posts with label Messianic Christianity. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Messianic Christianity. Show all posts

Wednesday, 31 December 2014

Why the difficulty with messianic Jews and not secular Jews?

Greetings all,

A reader asked me the following questions:

"In respect of  Messianic Jews it seems that  that most (all?)  Jews see them as no longer Jews, is that correct? But why do religious Jews not say the same about  Secular Jews? I have always thought that  being a Jew is passed down through havinf a Jewish mother, so if you can inherit it (unlike Christianity), how do you lose it?"
My answer:

Firstly you are correct that a Jew is Jewish if your mother is Jewish, also if you convert to Judaism you are considered to be Jewish as anyone born Jewish. We follow this because it is part of the Oral Torah which Moses received at the same time as the written Torah of the Bible. I appreciate that Christianity rejects the notion of the Oral Torah, but Jesus (being a good Jew) did not c.f. Matthew 23:1-3 ,Mark 2: 23-27& Matthew 5: 17-20. Also we see that this law was already in practice in other parts of the Bible: in Ezra the Jewish men were told to send their wives and children back to Babylon because they were considered to be non jewish, not Jewish women being told to send back their husbands and children.

Secondly. I also understand secular Jewish atheists who are observant for cultural or family reasons. That's a distinctive feature of Judaism, a nation and a community, fused into a religion which permeates every aspect of oneself and life. We are more than a group of religious believers, but a global family. And to me family and community are key aspects of Judaism. We don't turn our back on family and therefore we shouldn't turn our backs or force them out, that those who struggle with God, with beliefs, but who wish to still be in the tent, however, it is quite clear that messianic Jews don't fit into this category.

Thirdly. A Jew who believes in Jesus as his/her “Lord and Saviour" has become a Christian. Even if not a formal member of a church group that person is a Christian theologically. The halacha (B.T. Sanhedrin 44a) recognizes the biologic link to the Jewish people as inviolate, but also recognizes that as long as one remains an apostate one is not considered to be part of the Jewish community. A willing convert to Christianity, whether formally or informally, forfeits his/her legal and social rights, which express a Jew’s belonging to the Jewish people. A Jew must meet, actively or inactively (e.g. a secular Jew), the fundamental biblical stipulation: “You shall have no other gods before Me” (Exodus 20:3, Deuteronomy 5:7). God declares: “I am the first, and I am the last, and beside Me there is no God” (Isaiah 44:6).

I've come to appreciate that one can never fully understand God, I believe a rabbi one said "if I knew him, I would be him"(Judah ha Levi) and as it is written:

"As you do not know the path of the wind, or how life enters the body being formed in the mother's womb, so you cannot understand the works of God, the maker of all things"(Ecclesiastes 11:5).

But follow God and his commandments are nonetheless the thing for a Jew to do. A concluding thought to ponder. Does God prefer the most pious person, who observes the rituals and believes with dogmatic precision, but acts in a shameful fashion or the one who just tries with all of their heart? That to me is the difference between secular Jews and messianic Jews. But for all we are to bring them ALL back to the fold and help them become observant of the Torah. It is incumbent to hear the words of Ezekiel when he lamented "Those who went astray you did not return and the lost you did not seek "(Ezekiel 34:4).

Monday, 12 May 2014

'This Jew died for you' - a Jews for Jesus - crap video

Hey all,

A Christian I know enthusiastically sent me a note about this one called 'This Jew died for you', as done by the Jews for Jesus organisation, saying it really explained Jesus as a Jew and why we needed to believe in him. I'm not going to put this video up, as I have no desire to give a free add to a group I have no time for. This video has been doing to rounds since Passover  when it was released on you tube, link here. So far it  has got thousands of comments and a million hits.

With all due respect to our Christian and non Jewish readers, I have to say what the fuck do these people think they are playing at? This has to be the shittiest and most crassest video our friends Jews for Jesus have yet come up with, surely? It isn't just that the acting is appalling, but  the fact you have Jesus carrying a cross into a concentration camp actually highlights the fact that to Christians he is not 'Just another Jew'  or else historically,  Christians wouldn't have gone around accusing Jews of killing him, thinking up blood libels and arranging expulsions of Jewish communities, whenever there was something up & a Jewish scapegoat needed to be found.

I disagree with the message anyways, but it is like, do they really think they'll convert anyone with vids like this? A dude is tempted to say 'as you were', because vids like this will stop them in their tracks as it such a crappy, shitty, vid, which might make them feel better, but will have no success in converting anyone. 

Tuesday, 11 March 2014

Rabbi Singer vs Jews for Jesus

Hello all,

Samuel here!

Whilst my bro is on his romantic 3 days away, I'm trying to keep up the blogging front (and look after my bros kids, all 16, less 1). Speaking of that 'less one' this is a post for my fab niece, Natasha, who is at university and has been approached targeted by groups who say they are Jewish , are   a particular wacko Proddy  version of Christianity  sect of Christianity. So this post is for you, in which Rabbi Tovia Singer debates and explains why Jews might have a problem with devout Christians a funny mishmash of Judaism and Christianity, justifying manipulating  Judaism  to convert Jews by any possible means :