Hey all,
A Christian I know enthusiastically sent me a note about this one called 'This Jew died for you', as done by the Jews for Jesus organisation, saying it really explained Jesus as a Jew and why we needed to believe in him. I'm not going to put this video up, as I have no desire to give a free add to a group I have no time for. This video has been doing to rounds since Passover when it was released on you tube, link here. So far it has got thousands of comments and a million hits.
With all due respect to our Christian and non Jewish readers, I have to say what the fuck do these people think they are playing at? This has to be the shittiest and most crassest video our friends Jews for Jesus have yet come up with, surely? It isn't just that the acting is appalling, but the fact you have Jesus carrying a cross into a concentration camp actually highlights the fact that to Christians he is not 'Just another Jew' or else historically, Christians wouldn't have gone around accusing Jews of killing him, thinking up blood libels and arranging expulsions of Jewish communities, whenever there was something up & a Jewish scapegoat needed to be found.
I disagree with the message anyways, but it is like, do they really think they'll convert anyone with vids like this? A dude is tempted to say 'as you were', because vids like this will stop them in their tracks as it such a crappy, shitty, vid, which might make them feel better, but will have no success in converting anyone.
A Christian I know enthusiastically sent me a note about this one called 'This Jew died for you', as done by the Jews for Jesus organisation, saying it really explained Jesus as a Jew and why we needed to believe in him. I'm not going to put this video up, as I have no desire to give a free add to a group I have no time for. This video has been doing to rounds since Passover when it was released on you tube, link here. So far it has got thousands of comments and a million hits.
With all due respect to our Christian and non Jewish readers, I have to say what the fuck do these people think they are playing at? This has to be the shittiest and most crassest video our friends Jews for Jesus have yet come up with, surely? It isn't just that the acting is appalling, but the fact you have Jesus carrying a cross into a concentration camp actually highlights the fact that to Christians he is not 'Just another Jew' or else historically, Christians wouldn't have gone around accusing Jews of killing him, thinking up blood libels and arranging expulsions of Jewish communities, whenever there was something up & a Jewish scapegoat needed to be found.
I disagree with the message anyways, but it is like, do they really think they'll convert anyone with vids like this? A dude is tempted to say 'as you were', because vids like this will stop them in their tracks as it such a crappy, shitty, vid, which might make them feel better, but will have no success in converting anyone.
Wouldn't convince me. It feels more like a parody or a sick joke or a publicity stunt than anything a mainstream christian group would come up with. But then this is jews for jesus.
ReplyDeleteThis video is highly distasteful. The holocaust was the culmination of centuries of hate-filled anti-Semitism, much of it propagated by Christians (both Protestant and Catholic).
ReplyDeleteBy the way, those who claim that Christian anti-Semites aren't "really" Christians are deploying the "no true Scotsman" argumentative fallacy.
Jewish people have been reproducing like rabbits .Only morons think that real Jews are a minority. That is what the fake Jews (khazarians who do not have a single drop of Hebrew blood in their veins) want you to believe. Just check the Inquisition's lists of family names of Jewish communities in Spain in the fifteen century, and the family names in Latin America.
ReplyDeleteJustinas, it's fantastic that you have the guts to take on the Zionists! my questions is this: how do we make the Christian Zionists understand they've been duped into believing the "faux Jews" are God's chosen? Only by ceasing all aid to Israel may the world actually have a chance of surviving!
DeleteThis Khazars nonsense has been definitively proven to be false by DNA research. Only a small percentage, mainly the nobility, of the Khazars converted to Judaism. The DNA of the Ashkenazi Jews is Semitic.
DeleteThe Khazar mythos isn't true, via DNA tests. Even if it were true, it misunderstands Judaism as a race of people, rather than a nation with an eternal covenant with G-d .
DeleteThanks Dave!
Deleteif you believe or if you dont one day every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that JESUS CHRIST is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords nothing anoyone can say or do about that Praise God for his one and only son that gave up his life so we could live.
ReplyDeleteSo I watched the video. I cannot judge how a Jewish observer would view it, but I can give you my impressions having seen it. I did not like this video.
ReplyDelete1. The video removes the Lord Jesus from his historical place. The events of His life are tied to first century Palestine. You can't move them without sacrificing the necessary context that makes them comprehensible. I know what a cross means in Rome. I have no idea how to translate the cross into a concentration camp in 1943. Am I to infer this is some metaphor of the Passion? It makes the theology behind the video incredibly hard to decipher. I don't see any necessary connection between the theme of the video and the story as presented.
2. It submerges the Passion into a common (I.e. Widespread) as opposed to unique event. Jews died in the holocaust because they were members of the set 'Jews.' No other criteria was necessary. To locate the death of the Lord Jesus in a Concentration camp is to submerge the purpose surrounding it. He died in a specific way under specific circumstances because certain individuals wanted Him dead. All of this detail has theological significance. This again reflects the theological confusion in this video.
The quote from Isaiah was well positioned and directly on point, but that was all I found to admire about it. I am not sure how to use the Holocaust in a video of this type, but I don't think this is the proper way. I would be interested to ask the producers how they intended the video to be seen. To fairly judge it you would need to understand what they intended to communicate, and how. As for me, I didn't get it.
If I had liked the video I would have said so. And I will affirm the basic truth presented in the video - that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, the rightful King on David's throne, and the only Name by which men may be saved.
carl
carl
Carl,
DeleteThey have created a website. Read the explanation (which I have cut n' pasted below). Make your own mind up. But bear in mind you are NOT the 'target audience', I am. I have to say watching the vid and reading the explanation, I don't buy it, because for a start I wouldn't call the Nazis 'Christian', although of course many of my co-religionists have issues with the Pope at the time.
Regardless, if I could bring myself to try and be positive about whether or not the marketing was successful, I cant because it just doesn't convince me. It feels more like a religious 'shock jock' video, rather than something serious.
http://thatjewdiedforyou.com/
"Jesus has often been wrongly associated with the perpetrators of the Holocaust. In reality, he is to be identified with those who were the victims. As a Jew, if he were in Europe at the time, Jesus may well have suffered the same fate of the six million who perished in the concentration camps.
Jewish teaching promotes the idea that the death of Jews in the Holocaust accomplished kiddush ha Shem, the sanctification of God’s name. How much more then, the Bible tells us, Jesus’ death was intended by God for kiddush ha am, the sanctification of the people. Through him we can be made right with God. (See Hebrews 13:12)"
-Jews for Jesus
Carl,
DeleteI can respect you as you are always open and honest about your faith. I have no problem with that and appreciate it. I just don't see how this video would convince a Jew to become a Christian. Believe me, I've had numerous experiences of conversion speeches etc, but this is the worst of the lot. OK I appreciate that associating Christianity with the Shoah isn't right , but I don't believe that countering this was the plan of the video.
Any Jewish person that accepts Yeshua as their Mashiach, you call that person names, incite others to hate them, say they are no longer Jewish, and, ultimately, try to break them!! This sounds very much like cult techniques to me! If a Jewish person accepts Yeshua and their Mashiach, they are no less JEWISH! You intimidate people to bow to your agenda!
ReplyDeleteTo Jesus every knee will bow and every tongue confess that He is Lord to the Glory of God the Father. You have a choice; come to Him now, repent and ask Him into your heart and life as Savior and Lord OR bow before Him as your Judge; then it will be forever too late. However, All Israel will be saved but the Jewish remnant that is saved goes through the Great Tribulation; fiery trials in the next 7 years. He is coming soon in the Rapture for His Bride before the "time of Jacob's trouble" begins.
Sam can answer these charges specifically, but it is ironic you say Jews are trying to 'break' those who have converted to Christianity from Judaism and then you go onto threaten a judgement on Jews/tribulations etc.
DeleteDave, Messianic Jew is parroting the sort of stuff I've heard before. I'm used to it , as the Church I went to was like a cult ,when I was off the derech, so it goes over me and I ignore it.Sadly when you become a Christian, you do stop being a Jew. There is no need to be a Jew if you are a Christian, e.g. you don't need to celebrate Passover or Purim, and you SHOULDN'T celebrate Yom Kippur as it is irrelevant because of Jesus, so it just becomes nothing more than cultural ritual at best, christian heresy at worst.
DeleteThis is WHAT MESSIANICS DON'T GET !!
I know several Messiahnic Jews, including a Rabbi who runs a Messiahnic Jewish congreation here in Phoenix and they retain their Jewish traditions, but have the same beliefs about Jesus as Christians.Keep in mind that Jesus was raised as a Jew also, and so were his Disciples and followers.
ReplyDeleteI was also surprised to hear a few years ago, that some Jews don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah, and the Son of God, and he was the illegitimate son of Mary. A couple of years ago a Christian friend of mine went to Israel with many members of her church. They flew on El Al Airlines (Isreal's airlines) and on the flight from Tel Aviv to New York JFK, she told me that one of the people from her church was seated next to a couple of Jews, and right after the flight left Tel Aviv, they asked the flight attendant to seat them somewhere else because for some reason they felt offended when a Christian sat next to them.
I and the vast, vast, majority of Jews and many mainstream Christians vehemently disagree. They are funded entirely by evangelicals but -- they don't care about Methodists, Lutherans, etc. They want J*e*w*s. They prey on young, uneducated, secular Jews and the elderly. The worst part is that they try to convince others that they can "remain" Jewish and practice Christianity at the same time. They're an insult to both Jews and Christians.
DeleteAnd -- here's an excellent response to their claims:
Outreach Judaism - responds directly to the issues raised by missionaries and cults. Responds to Jews For Jesus
A more befitting name for the group is:
Jews against Judaism.
Sorry link -
Deletehttp://outreachjudaism.org/outreach-judaism-responds-to-jews-for-jesus/
Shumel good for you! This is very much a cult and has nothing whatsoever to do with Judaism. Many people have had to be deprogrammed from the group. It's a militant evangelical Christian group that uses very controlling techniques to get people to do what they want.
ReplyDeleteA few comments.
ReplyDeleteAs a gentile, I would never touch the Holocaust for purpose of Evangelism. I would be too concerned I would wrong-foot myself by showing disrespect. A Jewish Christian (I don't consider that phrase an oxymoron) might have a different attitude. That is what makes it so hard for me get inside this video. I am not a part of the right culture.
Frankly, it came off to me like a piece of shock video as well. But I didn't want to say so because I don't really get the video. The explanation on the website didn't help much. Theologically I can't compare the suffering of Christ to the suffering if the Jewish people.
I appreciate the recognition that the Nazi movement was not a Christian movement. It was in fact neo-pagan. However substantial the anti Semitic guilt of Christian Europe, it wasn't responsible for Hitler. The Nazis were actively trying to de-Christianize Germany. Or perhaps better to "Nazify" Christianity.
carl
Carl,
DeleteI can understand your concerns about not being part of the culture, but briefly try the following link , which is about a Messianic Jewish 'rabbinical council''s views of gentile conversation-
http://ourrabbis.org/main/articles/on-conversion-mainmenu-32
OK Jews for Jesus are different to this part of MJ, but even a brief glance at this page, I hope that you can begin to see the ludicrous nature of MJ viz a viz Christianity, let alone what I would call authentic-Rabbinical - Judaism?